Episode 50
E50 - Building 100 GPTs in 100 Days: An Addictive Journey with Nadio Granata
Imagine crafting 100 unique AI systems in just 100 days!
From turning job interviews into triumphs to inspiring young minds to use AI, Nadio Granata’s journey is nothing short of remarkable. Join us as we explore the creative power of AI and how it's reshaping conversations and careers!
Takeaways
- Building GPTs can be addictive and require multiple iterations for improvement.
- Capturing the initial idea and providing context in the prompt is crucial.
- Using tools like Trello boards and mind mapping can aid in the creative process.
- Asking GPT for prompt suggestions and using conversation starters can enhance the quality of responses.
- The Matchmaker GPT is a valuable tool for job interviews and CV analysis. GPTs can be used for a variety of applications, including job interviews, conversation starters, and formula creation.
- GPTs can help track eco footprints and promote responsible AI.
- GPTs can be used to create books, movies, and songs.
- Anyone can use GPTs, and it's important to explore and experiment with them.
- An upcoming event, the AI Collective Summit, will provide more information and opportunities to learn about GPTs.
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Transcript
Nadio, welcome back to the podcast.
Nadio Granata [:Hi, David. It's good to be back. Thank you.
David Brown [:Yeah, it must have been something like six months probably by now, since you were on last.
So you've been building 100 GPTs in 100 days. And I find that really interesting. And I wanted to get you to sort of share your experience with everybody about how that happened and how you felt about it along the way.
Nadio Granata [:Okay, well, thank you. Yeah, I didn't set out as a project to do that, if you like. I think it basically, over Christmas, I just found that I was. Had a little bit of time on my hands and I use Trello. I use Trello boards a lot. I use mind mapping. So I've got lots of little lists floating around and had a chance to go back into a couple lists and Trello boards and saw that there were a few GPTs that I had wanted to build before Christmas and then got into. Got into doing them and then it became one led to another, to another.
Nadio Granata [:And it's. I honestly think I might have an addiction. Seriously, David, I am. I am that close to going to the doctors and asking, has he got a tablet for GPT addiction? But it's. It's sort of like having. I don't know, having to do, you know. You know, I do most of my stuff on my phone. Okay.
Nadio Granata [:I'm actually today, I'm actually in front of a laptop, which is very rare for me, but I. GPTs for me are great to build on the phone because it's something about where your head is at the time. You know, I could be on a train, I could be walking through a park or whatever, and something comes to.
Nadio Granata [:You that then goes into the Trello board and then.
Nadio Granata [:And then when I get a little bit of peace and quiet, or normally, I'm sorry to say, about 05:00 in the morning, which is my most creative time. I do a lot of. I've always done a lot of writing anyway, and so, yeah, I just sort of jump into doing another GPT and everyone, it's like, I know you're going to ask me which is my favourite, and it's a bit like asking me which is my favourite child. I've got three kids and four grandchildren, which. How do you choose?
David Brown [:Yeah, well, that's true, but that's. We've got time to think about that. I'm sure. I'm sure you have an idea, though. Some. I know a lot of the ones that you've done, because obviously you and I talk about this, you know, quite a lot in other things that we do, and. But I'm sure there's some that you're maybe you're more proud of than others, or, you know, like, there's some I know that are very specific, like the boat race one. Do you know what I mean? So that's very narrow and very specific, where some of the other ones that you've done are very general and would be helpful a lot more of the time, and maybe we can get into that in a minute.
David Brown [:But thinking back over all the things that you've created, what surprised you the most about going through the process of creating them?
Nadio Granata [:Good question.
Nadio Granata [:I think if I was to be scientific about my answer, I would say.
Nadio Granata [:I'm into the third iteration, every one.
Nadio Granata [:Of them, by I don't know why.
Nadio Granata [:But it just seems like every one of them needs a third iteration. So the first one is obviously, you know, get it out my head, get off the Trello board, get it going.
Nadio Granata [:The second iteration is quite often a.
Nadio Granata [:Review based on something that I've learned since I did it, if that makes sense. So it's a tweet, so it's an improvement.
David Brown [:Okay. Yeah.
Nadio Granata [:And then the third question is, when I go back in there to make that change, and it might even just be a naming convention, you know, it's. They do. You know, some of my original names seem to be more like sentences that you'd write in a book. You know, I was using, you know, that mentality.
Nadio Granata [:And also.
Nadio Granata [:So the third iteration is going back in and really giving them a good polish. And I actually think that I will start again. I think I'm going to do, you know, I'm still doing new ones pretty much all the time.
Nadio Granata [:But I think if I will take my top 25 and take them to.
Nadio Granata [:Another level again, and I can explain to you what I mean by that as we go forward.
Nadio Granata [:But there's.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah, it comes in threes.
David Brown [:Right. Okay. So for people who are thinking about building their own, they should sort of have to take the approach that they should plan on kind of going back to it a couple of times after they've done that first version to tweak it a little bit to really get it where it needs to be.
Nadio Granata [:Well, first of all, I'd say don't do it. It's like, you know, don't start smoking, don't start making GPTs, you know, get someone else to do it. Come and find some. You know, I've got a load out there. No, actually, to be serious, it is good fun. It is like having Sudoku and wordle and everything else on your phone all at one time. And it's sort of like, you know, you get real buzz out. Quite an adrenaline rush, actually, when you switch from design to actually testing.
Nadio Granata [:But what would I say to him? I would say, start by just have, you know, in the old days, you'd have a notepad, have some sort of.
Nadio Granata [:Way of capturing that magical moment when.
Nadio Granata [:You think of it, notes on it on your phone. Notes on your phone is probably as good as anywhere. And also, when you make that first note, try to make reference to why. Why you came up with that. You know, even if it was, you know, the birds were singing in the trees, write the birds were singing in the trees. And it's.
Nadio Granata [:It.
Nadio Granata [:You think of this, because when you do actually get round to doing it, you can sometimes lose that nuance, you can lose that magic and.
David Brown [:Interesting. Okay, yeah, you can.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah. It's a bit like, I don't know, writing a good poem or a great painting, you know, grab it, seize the moment and get. And don't be lazy with the recording of that instance, because you'll regret that. We can all now speak to our phones as well. Just, you know, just do a voice memo on your phone. You know, wouldn't it be great if I had a GPT for bang, bang, bang, bang? And then that's the hardest bit, capturing that. That nuance after that. It's a process, and quite a lot of it now, for me, is a systematic process.
Nadio Granata [:I, you know, my Trello boards, I have my signature, I suppose you might call it a boilerplate. Do we have a boilerplate and a GPT? I guess we do. Don't we have my.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah, I have my branded look and.
Nadio Granata [:Feel, which you, you know, you're probably getting used to. You always get asked three more questions at the end of it. There's always a link to my. Obviously, to my website and things like that.
David Brown [:Well, that's a. That's actually a really good point, because I agree with you. I think writing stuff down, I use voice memos quite a lot these days as well, just to capture, again, to capture a little bit more, as opposed to writing myself a note. I think the. Being able to express yourself vocally and is better. But what? Let's say you go out for a walk. Okay? You go out for a walk, you feel inspired for whatever it is that you want to build, and you come back and you're all excited, and you sit down and you go into GPT. Like, what are the things that you need to know.
David Brown [:And what are the things that you need to have ready before you start to build that?
Nadio Granata [:Nothing. A broad mind.
Nadio Granata [:A broad mind and a determination to see it through. Other than that.
Nadio Granata [:And I mean, I wish I could be more scientific and make this sound like something absolutely incredible. And I'm sure, I'm sure to those people who've never done one, when they see how. How we do them, they might marvel.
Nadio Granata [:At what we do, but it's, as.
Nadio Granata [:I say, it's capturing it.
Nadio Granata [:And then there are different ways of.
Nadio Granata [:Building GPTs and there are different types.
Nadio Granata [:Of GPTs, as you know.
Nadio Granata [:But the 1ft that I'm referring to here is chat GPT, and I see chat GPT as a motherboard, and then all of my custom GPTs live on that motherboard.
Nadio Granata [:Or mothership.
David Brown [:Mothership.
Nadio Granata [:Mothership. So. So to answer your question, you can actually start, right, start building your GPT.
Nadio Granata [:With little or no preparation.
Nadio Granata [:Just keep just that nuance, just that magic, that problem that you're solving. Don't lose track of the problem that you're solving.
Nadio Granata [:Then you have to articulate that into.
Nadio Granata [:The back end of the chat GPT. I was working with, I was with a mutual friend of ours the other day, Robin, Robin Davis. And Robin Davis comes from a very technical background and we have quite a laugh because we are sort of diametrically pose. You know, my way of doing things is, bang, let's get on. And, you know, Robin goes really deep in the science and things, but Robin and others, there's a lot of people out there who are actually.
Nadio Granata [:Robin's built a GPT for testing your, your prompt.
Nadio Granata [:It's called prompt analyzer. And for quite a while I was using that.
Nadio Granata [:And, and it is, it's very good for taking a raw prompt and putting.
Nadio Granata [:It into his benchmarking tool, and it will tell you how high it scores on things like examples. So if you are building a prompt and you don't give it an example, that's going to. That's weak, that's sloppy, it's lazy, it's not good for you.
Nadio Granata [:But I think in my case now.
Nadio Granata [:I tend to go, I shoot from the hip a little bit more because I know now the level of detail to put in.
Nadio Granata [:And you know what, one of the.
Nadio Granata [:Things I really am really getting to like about it and really learning, and it's, again, it's not rocket science, but.
Nadio Granata [:It is, it is conversational. Your scripting of your GPT is a conversation.
Nadio Granata [:Talk to it as if it's an assistant a technical assistant with more technical knowledge that you've got, but doesn't necessarily have the understanding of the world that we see. And when you put those two things.
Nadio Granata [:Together, you know, trust it, it will.
Nadio Granata [:Do a good job for you. Be creative in your thinking and you.
Nadio Granata [:Can always go back in and refine.
David Brown [:And edit, so you don't need to give it tonnes of data to start off with you kind of is the idea that you steer it in a particular direction. So let's just take the boat race as an example, or. Yeah, the boat race. We'll just do the boat race. If anybody doesn't know what the boat race means, if you're around the world, then that's the Oxford Cambridge. It's the massive boat race that they have in the Thames every year. It's like one of the biggest sort of sporting events in the UK and every year. So what do you do? So when you go in to create that, do you just tell it and say, hey, I want to create a special tool that only looks at information related to the boat race? Or do you have to say, here's a bunch of old data about the boat race, and give it sort of to the GPT?
Nadio Granata [:I a little bit further back?
Nadio Granata [:And I say, because you know why? My interest in the boat race is the fact that I live on a boat right by the finishing line. Other than that, I know nothing about rowing boats or boat, but I'm walking past one day, all the camera crews are setting up, a few days before there's real buzz in the area. And I think, you know what? It'd be nice to have a GPT about the boat race. So then I asked GPT if it.
Nadio Granata [:Can help me to build a GPT.
Nadio Granata [:About the boat race. And it'll go, yeah. What are you thinking? You say, well, you know, you tell me. I know nothing about boats, but it's a historic event, okay? It's a competition. There's winners and losers. It's evolving technologically, it's evolved over the years. There's some sponsorship involved. It's rooted in academia, in universities, and I have an interest in academia.
Nadio Granata [:So it's that context.
Nadio Granata [:So there's a human in the loop now, if I say too much more about this, people are going to go and build their own GPT. No one's ever going to need me again. But keeping the human in the loop, and I'm going to write a piece sometime soon about. I know there's a lot of concern.
Nadio Granata [:About AI and AI doing our jobs for us.
Nadio Granata [:All this sort of stuff. And in fact, in one of mine, I've got a calculator in there that calculates whether AI is going to take your job.
Nadio Granata [:But the, the thing is that we.
Nadio Granata [:As humans, we have the experience and we bring the context. So if you bring experience and context into the scripting, into the briefing of.
Nadio Granata [:The, of the GPT, you are doing.
Nadio Granata [:Something that GPT can't do itself. You're doing what the Gchpt can't do.
Nadio Granata [:And it's that nuance, that Persona that.
Nadio Granata [:You bring to it that I think.
Nadio Granata [:Makes them particularly interesting and valid.
Nadio Granata [:And then, you know, in mine, I always, I've conditioned mine to always delve deeper. So if you say to the boat race one, can you tell me, you know, what is the boat race? In fact, I'll tell you a new tip, one that I've just been developing, and it's so, so simple. And I'm sorry for your listeners that I'm just talking about simple things that I'm not going up with algorithm, but the first, you know how you've got these conversation starters, and by default it offers you four. You can do more than four, but it displays four. So I've learned actually to use the.
Nadio Granata [:Very first one for saying, hi, I'm.
Nadio Granata [:New here, can you tell me how to use this GPT? So that's a nice, that's easy.
Nadio Granata [:Anyone can do that.
Nadio Granata [:Then in your settings, there's a couple of things you can do. One is you can tell it how.
Nadio Granata [:To answer that question. So if you state a question such.
Nadio Granata [:As that this is how to start, how to answer it, you can close it off and say, this is the only answer you're ever going to give.
Nadio Granata [:Or you can say, always start with.
Nadio Granata [:This and then let it lead on. The other thing to do, the other thing that happens if you don't say anything, if you don't condition behind the.
Nadio Granata [:Back of that, but you do have.
Nadio Granata [:Another bunch of question conversation starters.
Nadio Granata [:It takes those as its, as the source of its answers.
Nadio Granata [:So let's say for the boat race, my first one is, hi, can you tell me how to use this? My second one, conversation starter might be something along the lines of, can you give me the historic context of, of the boat race? Third one might be, has there been any technical developments of note in, you know, over the last few years? In which case, what are they?
Nadio Granata [:And the fourth one might be, can.
Nadio Granata [:You predict who's going to win the race? And, you know, most people I know want to know how, you know, who's going to win it. So those, those first questions in there, and, and if I don't put anything else to answer those in the back.
Nadio Granata [:End, it will, it will answer that first question.
Nadio Granata [:How do I use this GPT? By saying, hey, just ask me anything about the history, ask me about technology, ask me who I think might win.
Nadio Granata [:And that sort of gets the user.
Nadio Granata [:Into the mood and it also gets.
Nadio Granata [:The chat into the mood as well.
Nadio Granata [:It sort of, you know, you're all.
Nadio Granata [:In the same room then from that point onwards.
Nadio Granata [:And for me, the thing that I really enjoy most about building these is.
Nadio Granata [:This ability to dig deeper.
Nadio Granata [:So we don't know what we don't know. So if you said to me, Nat.
Nadio Granata [:You know, I don't know, tell me, you know, or if I go to.
Nadio Granata [:One and say, you know, can you tell me how to cook aubergine in an air fryer?
Nadio Granata [:It'll tell you. But when you stick this little system in, that goes and give me three.
Nadio Granata [:More things to ask, you end up finding how to.
Nadio Granata [:I don't know how to do lots.
Nadio Granata [:Of things with aubergines, how to grow.
David Brown [:Them.
Nadio Granata [:How to grow them. What is the air miles of an.
Nadio Granata [:Aubergine, you know, etc, etcetera.
Nadio Granata [:You get revolves or condition mind to be responsible, ethical and societal. So look at environmental. And those are the sort of new. And that sit behind all of my responses because they're in my custom settings, right.
David Brown [:So I didn't realise, I mean, I've looked at yours and other people's as well, and I didn't. I don't think I really realised that you could set those questions at the beginning. I think I knew that you could do one, but I thought that the rest of them came from the system. So it's really interesting to know that you can set up those initial questions to give, you know, people a direction, kind of, to start in. So. So that's one thing that, you know, is really good to know. And I think the other thing, you know, that you were talking about is obviously having some, you've got some sort of, what you would say, global settings for, you know, the answers that it gives. And so that's interesting as well, that you can say, you know, this is because you can give it instructions, right? So you can say this GPT is about the boat race between Oxford and Cambridge, blah, blah, blah, blah.
David Brown [:And that's where you put all that stuff in. So when people go to the front window and they just, you know, they say, hey, I want to, I want to ask this GPT a question. It already knows the context of the questions that are going to be asked, so it's not going to be too far out of line, which is, that's, that's really cool. What about maintaining it after you've built it? I know you've said, you know, you've gone back a couple of times, but.
Nadio Granata [:These bags, look at these bags under my eyes, that they're maintenance bags gone. Oh, I am exhausted, man.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah, I mean, but that's because you.
David Brown [:Have a hundred of them, right? Like if, if somebody went in and had one or two, is it really did, how much maintenance does it need to sort of keep it working? Very well.
Nadio Granata [:From zero to 100? I mean, you can, you can build.
Nadio Granata [:It and leave it, you can build it and track it and you can't.
Nadio Granata [:The chat GPTs you can't track. But there are other forms where you can see what questions people are putting.
Nadio Granata [:In, so you can have a look at that.
Nadio Granata [:Can I just go back a little bit? You know, when you said that you didn't know that you can build those questions, those conversations, you thought you could do one. I've got my iPhone here next to me, my screen, and I know exactly why you say that and I, and.
Nadio Granata [:I think that this is a, I.
Nadio Granata [:Personally think this is a mistake there are a lot of people making. When you go into building your chat.
Nadio Granata [:GPT, it automatically takes you to the configure tab.
Nadio Granata [:And the configure tab, as I look on my phone here, has got a circle for an image, so it encourages you to make an image. It's got the name of your GPT, it's got the description, these are different text boxes and then instructions and then conversation starters and then it allows you to upload files. Okay?
Nadio Granata [:So when you go down that route.
Nadio Granata [:I personally believe you're already on the wrong track. Okay, reason I said, yeah, the reason and the reason I say that is.
Nadio Granata [:Because it only builds what you have.
Nadio Granata [:Told it to build. It's, you are giving it an instruction. Now if you are, let's say I've got conversations coming up with universities and they probably will be the sort of.
Nadio Granata [:Organisation that will be narrow in their.
Nadio Granata [:Thinking to an extent, but their needs and their outputs, you know, this is a clear defined resource, this is what it's going to do and nothing else but this.
Nadio Granata [:In which case there is a good case to say go down the configure.
Nadio Granata [:Script, your configurement offline, and then bring.
Nadio Granata [:It in and take it through that. But for the purpose of most people.
Nadio Granata [:Listening to your call. And unless you're working for mi five or some, you know, organisation that is so governed that you can't put a full stop in the wrong place, I would go the other way. I would go creatively, use your creative juices.
Nadio Granata [:Go into create the create tab and ask it there to build.
Nadio Granata [:You can actually come out of the builder and go into open chat GPT.
Nadio Granata [:Ask Openchat GPT first to, you know.
Nadio Granata [:What would a, what would a GPT like this look like? What would a prompt like this look like? An open GPT is very broad. It goes way beyond what you might be considering.
Nadio Granata [:And it will come back.
Nadio Granata [:It, nine times out of ten says it's a good idea. You can ask it to put some confidence level in there. You can ask it to say, is there a need for something like this? Or, you know, how confident are we.
Nadio Granata [:That we can give precise responses, appropriate.
Nadio Granata [:Responses, and then take that response and put that into your, into your build, into your create.
Nadio Granata [:Build. And then that will give you a first task.
David Brown [:And that's a great suggestion, actually. And it's something that you mentioned earlier that I was going to pick up on is, and it's something that I certainly don't do myself as much as I should, but actually asking GPT for the prompt to help you get the information that you want from the GPT. Because if you say, I'm trying to accomplish this task, what sort of a prompt should I give a GPT to get the best answer? And then it will tell you what to ask it and then you can basically take that sub in the, you know, maybe one or two words or whatever you need here and there, but essentially it will tell you how to use it in the best way. And that's, that's a, that's a, that's a fantastic tip, because I think most people forget that and we just go straight in just asking the question. So, yeah, that's, that's really interesting.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah.
Nadio Granata [:And I think some people use these.
Nadio Granata [:There'S lots of cheat sheets and, and.
Nadio Granata [:My top 100 prompt sheets and things like this. And, you know, I mean, if, I don't know, probably about a year ago, I'm sure I downloaded a few of those and I might have digested them. There might be somewhere in the back of my GP brain somewhere, but I.
Nadio Granata [:Don'T typically use them. That said, when I said that I.
Nadio Granata [:Will go back in and do another iteration, I will probably, my next round of iterations will probably be to look.
Nadio Granata [:At some of the technical smart things.
Nadio Granata [:That you can do. I've developed some myself. You know, I don't even know, what.
Nadio Granata [:Do you call that squiggly bracket?
David Brown [:Which one? The vertical one or the horizontal one?
Nadio Granata [:Oh, crikey.
David Brown [:Vertical, like the tilde that goes across the top. You mean this, the squirrelly, the squiggly bracket, like parentheses bracket? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nadio Granata [:Okay. So when you use those, let's say, for example, oh, crikey.
Nadio Granata [:I'm trying to.
Nadio Granata [:Think now you might to write a.
Nadio Granata [:Blog post, an article, a summary or something.
Nadio Granata [:Different choices. If you've got multiple choice in there, if you put them within the squiggly and then, then the squiggly bracket, and you tell it that when it sees a squiggly bracket, it asks for clarity, then, then you can do great things like that. So thing that I've learned only very recently, actually, is that I'm likely to.
Nadio Granata [:Merge some of my GPTs.
Nadio Granata [:So if somebody starts searching for all of my 100 GPTs and they go, it's only got 97. Well, that might well be because I.
Nadio Granata [:Don'T publish them all.
Nadio Granata [:I.
Nadio Granata [:About less than half of them, I think.
Nadio Granata [:And also what you find is that.
Nadio Granata [:I'm finding ways of merging, finding ways.
Nadio Granata [:Of making, making one GPT.
Nadio Granata [:I wouldn't say all encompassing, but it is more powerful.
Nadio Granata [:More powerful. Yeah, more powerful, more intuitive.
Nadio Granata [:And to do that, it takes a lot of effort to think about those.
Nadio Granata [:Questions, those conversation starters. Those conversation starters are magical. That's where we all put our effort, into the back end of the prompt. Actually, it's the conversation starters that I'm having most fun with at the moment.
David Brown [:Okay, interesting. Right. So we've, now we've built them, we've fed them, we've groomed them and improved them. So I know I'm going to ask the difficult question. You have to choose three of your children. I have some ideas of what I think are the most useful, but I want to know from your perspective, having again, gone through and gone through the process so many times, it could be like maybe what's like a really good, good one for getting work done? What's a really fun one and what like, I don't know, whatever criteria you want to put on it, I'll just leave it up to you.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah. And they are, they are about, they are getting categorised as we speak.
David Brown [:So number three, we'll do a reverse countdown. Number three.
Nadio Granata [:Okay. Oh, crikey. Well, I'm just. All right, let me, I'm gonna start with, with one of the first ones.
Nadio Granata [:I did, and it's called matchmaker. And.
Nadio Granata [:And the reason that I. That it's in my top is because it's emotional. I mean, it is emotional, you know. You know, I've had a. I'm having relationships with my GPTs. Oh, God.
David Brown [:That's a different conversation, Nadio.
Nadio Granata [:Oh, crikey.
Nadio Granata [:I'm trying to pull it up. Matchmaker. So you might be able to put it up on yours, but matchmaker, I think it's number three. And the reason that it's in my.
Nadio Granata [:Top is because.
Nadio Granata [:Emotionally it's there because a friend of mine, son, was going for a job interview for having had.
Nadio Granata [:A very shitty time at university.
Nadio Granata [:He was studying chemistry. It was through COVID didn't actually the labs until halfway through his final year. That's not what he went to university for. Somehow he managed to get a job interview and his dad asked me if.
Nadio Granata [:I would be the friend of the.
Nadio Granata [:Family who's worked in academia, worked, and would I do a mock interview with him. And I know nothing about chemistry, I don't actually know his son that well.
Nadio Granata [:But I'd come up with an idea of actually building.
Nadio Granata [:You could put cv, put your cv into chat GPT. One thing led to another and I actually created a GPT that allows you to put your cv in there and put the job description in there. Then I built a benchmarker behind the back of that. So it will benchmark your cv against the job description and it will score you, and it will score you on what is fairly logical stuff. So, you know, things like, have you got any?
Nadio Granata [:Have you. Do you make such and such a claim?
Nadio Granata [:But are you providing any evidence of that? And your qualifications are seven out of ten, but if you do some more CPD, you're going to hit eight and nine. So it's pretty, you know, intuitive. Now, I've done another thing on the back of that as well. And so this is one of my oldest children and it's been with me the longest and it's been used the.
Nadio Granata [:Most, but I've now put a question.
Nadio Granata [:Start in there, which is, how likely am I to be replaced by AI? Right, ok, I'm going to read it to you. I won't go too deep into it, but my.
David Brown [:That's all right, go for it.
Nadio Granata [:My default answer comes up as, please.
Nadio Granata [:Can you upload your most recent tv and also tell me a little bit about you, for instance, your passions, your vision for the future, your networks, your determination to learn and adapt any profiling scores such as a GC index or Myers Briggs or disc or Belbin, etcetera. And what's your icky guy? Now when I say what's your ikigai? I have a link to another GPT that I built that helps you figure out your gpu.
David Brown [:What is that? Anyway?
Nadio Granata [:Ikigai is a japanese, what is it, japanese doctrine in how to live your.
Nadio Granata [:Best life, but your best life whilst working?
Nadio Granata [:So it's not, you know, it's all gonna sit on a beach. It's all, let's do, let's work and related to. Okay, cool. So you have to find this is.
David Brown [:All part of matchmaker.
Nadio Granata [:So matchmaker, it'll give you these prompts and say, look, it's not all about your cv and your cv probably doesn't. Tell me what your aspirations are. Tell me what you did, tell me what your aspirations are. So tell me a little bit more about that.
Nadio Granata [:Put your cv in here and then.
Nadio Granata [:It then gives you three conversation starters, like, how can I assist you in developing skills that AI tools might find challenging? Would you like to explore where to leverage AI in your current role, etcetera? It also then gives you a factoid. So in the rapid evolving job market, strategic adaptability is becoming crucial, etc, etcetera. And it can pull out some tights.
Nadio Granata [:So, so then when you put your.
Nadio Granata [:Cv in and you move to the next level, it scores your cv against.
Nadio Granata [:The, against the climate.
Nadio Granata [:And so I put some samples in there to test it. And so I'm just. Sorry, am I burning up too much airtime doing this? Is it all right? I don't know how well does displaying is GPT on radio or podcast show?
David Brown [:I don't know, it's, I think it's interesting and I think it's interesting to go through it and we have time, we're only, we're half an hour in, so we got plenty of time to talk about it. And I think it's, I think it's valuable to help people understand sort of how these work. And this, this is a fantastic example and I will ask you if you don't talk about it yourself, but I know the result of what happened from this ultimately as well. So we can talk about that in a minute. But yeah, go through it.
Nadio Granata [:Okay, so my test pieces, I'm not put, my sister sent me her cv and I did that privately. And then you anonymize, you can use chat, GPD to anonymize and things like that. So there are some people who were concerned about security, but, you know, that's a different subject. But these that I use are secure. But I also go to the Internet and I find an example of a job description and an example of a cv. So that's generic stuff.
Nadio Granata [:So I put one in here and it is called.
Nadio Granata [:I think it's called Alan. Oh, no, this is Sophie and Sophie is a bricklayer, a female bricklayer, which I find quite interesting, has done a nice resume. It's an american one, which doesn't make that much difference, but I do tend.
Nadio Granata [:To use more british things because I can interrogate a bit and know the.
Nadio Granata [:Subject a bit more.
Nadio Granata [:Anyway, so it's come back and thank.
Nadio Granata [:You for uploading your cv. Sophie, as a bricklayer with over eight years of experience, your skills are hands on and require a physical presence, which currently remains challenging for AI to replicate. AI's role in construction is growing, but it tends to support through planning, design and managing logistics, rather than the physical laying of bricks. Now, what you won't know on this.
Nadio Granata [:Call, but she's of a certain age.
Nadio Granata [:Or I think I've said that she's of a certain age. I've done this again for somebody and.
Nadio Granata [:I put their age up to 58.
Nadio Granata [:59, and it says, hey, you know, you're not going to be laying bricks forever, it's such a physical job. So now if people are going to accuse me of ageism, you know, get over it. Anyway, so it then looks at, it, gives, it's created this formula and it's amazing. I'll show you how to, because one of my favourites is my formula maker. So I created a formula in a different chapter, in a different GPT and.
Nadio Granata [:The component parts of that are JNF job nature factor.
Nadio Granata [:So that looks at the craftsmanship and manual skills of the job automation factor. Saf. So bricklaying techniques and masonry repair specialised require human touch and then industry automation index IAI, which is a. So some in some industries are very highly automatable and prone to change for that reason. Yeah, some will never be, you know, so.
Nadio Granata [:So.
Nadio Granata [:And then it comes back and it.
Nadio Granata [:Gives you a score.
Nadio Granata [:And what do you do with that score? Well, you can ignore it or you can go, you know what? It's given me a bit of confidence that actually, you know, I am in a manual job or I will, I will invest more in these skill sets that I've taken for granted for the last 20 years, etc, etcetera. So that's cool.
Nadio Granata [:Number three, my cv matchmaker, cowardly made by nadio.
David Brown [:And what was the result of the. Of the young man who was going for the job.
Nadio Granata [:Oh, he got the job. He got the job. And wouldn't you?
Nadio Granata [:You're gonna believe it works in a blooming palace. It works in, it works in the.
Nadio Granata [:Beautiful park just by Hampton Court palace. You know, I forgot what you call the park, literally. And there's a, there's a sort of a mini palace within his office. Oh, man. So, yeah.
David Brown [:Is that the one that's across the road? The, the small. The small building that's across. Yeah, my, um, my sister in law had her wedding reception in there. I know, I know that small building. Well, awesome. No, that was great. And I, I knew because I, you know, we've talked about this in the past and I knew this, that it was good, and then it was. You were able to ask him some intelligent questions and challenge him, you know, in the.
David Brown [:Helping him practise for the interview, which did help him become successful. So the tool works. I think that was the. I just wanted to close the loop on that so people knew that it, you know, it did actually work in it and it worked in that circumstance. And I think that's, that's an excellent use of, you know, the power of a generative AI at the minute. I think it's a great use for it.
Nadio Granata [:Can I just wrap that one off with.
Nadio Granata [:The typical thing is that I asked him a lot of questions about chemistry.
Nadio Granata [:And that's what the GPT did, but what he also did, which is magical. And I would never have thought of this other than to ask the question. And I said, can you now give me ten questions that he might ask them? Because I believe that interviews are two way. And I. I'm pretty sure that's what got him the job. He had some very insightful questions.
Nadio Granata [:So, you know.
Nadio Granata [:So do you want number two from three down to my second?
David Brown [:Yep. Number three to number two. And yes, asking interviewers questions is a 100% underrated skill in interviewing. That's for sure. Number two.
Nadio Granata [:Okay, thank you. I have got a bit of a glib answer, which is, you know, if someone said, which is your favourite GPT? I'd say it's the last one that I made because it really is. Or it's the next one that I'm about to make, you know, because I'm very. Next ones I'm gonna make.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah. Yeah.
Nadio Granata [:But, oh, crikey, I've got five down as number two. Let's go for one. That's slightly different. Okay, I'll go. Yeah. Number two is. Do you remember when. Okay, it's not the.
Nadio Granata [:It's not the shortest of names for GPT, but my friend's father is 90.
Nadio Granata [:Odd, and he's fell in hospital articulate.
Nadio Granata [:But losing some confidence, etcetera, and going to see him in hospital over an extended period of time can be a bit tricky, no matter what's going on in the rest of the world. So this is a lovely little prompt, a little conversation starter that goes, you know, do you remember when.
Nadio Granata [:And then.
Nadio Granata [:And then you might say your first day at school.
Nadio Granata [:And so you put that in, and.
Nadio Granata [:Then it will then prompt you to ask another question that relates to first day at school, such as, you know, dad might say, oh, yeah, I remember.
Nadio Granata [:I don't know.
Nadio Granata [:We had a.
Nadio Granata [:We. We had spam for lunch, you know.
Nadio Granata [:And then it will go, you know, do you ask me more about spam or what was, you know, what were the eating habits back in, you know, 1947, who was a prime minister, etcetera? So it just leads on and on to lots more.
Nadio Granata [:And I believe it has been a great joy to those that have been using it, and.
Nadio Granata [:And I can see why. So that's your answer to that one?
Nadio Granata [:But no, I like it.
David Brown [:That's. Yeah, that's really interesting. I like that. And number one.
Nadio Granata [:Well, number one, I'm gonna.
Nadio Granata [:Oh, crikey.
Nadio Granata [:I built. I built one which creates formula. You said, formulae, formulae, formula, formulae, formula, formula, formula.
Nadio Granata [:And the reason I built it, it.
Nadio Granata [:Started off in a classroom when I was giving a lecture and I was delivering somebody else's slides, which you should never do anyway. And one of these slides, it was.
Nadio Granata [:About the cost to wear.
Nadio Granata [:So it showed a form. So if you buy a new coat and it costs you 100 pounds and you wear it ten times, then this.
Nadio Granata [:Formula says it's cost you ten pound per wear. And then.
Nadio Granata [:And then somebody goes, well, what if I take it to dry cleaners? And then what if I sell it on vinted? And then so that, you know, you get a resale value, so the 100 pounds drops down to 70 pounds.
Nadio Granata [:Took it to the laundrette.
Nadio Granata [:Bloody blood. So in the class, we stopped, just stopped the class and said, you know.
Nadio Granata [:What I can't do? I can't teach you an equation that's.
Nadio Granata [:Got, you know, two elements to an equation that's. That's not an equation that's. You could do that, you know, when you were ten years of age, you know, let's take this a bit further.
Nadio Granata [:So.
Nadio Granata [:So we all know, you know, we talk about the food mile. So, you know, the problems with bananas and avocados, you know, there is a bit of a mixed up sort of crazy world, isn't there? You know, if you're vegans or vegetarians, you know, munching away through avocados that are travelling halfway around the world and, you know, it doesn't make a lot of sense in that way. And I'm not getting political or criticising, but when we become aware of the food mile, then we become aware of our water consumption. So you and I have talked before about the amount of water that is required to cool down data warehousing, all of these prompts that we're doing. So my mission is to democratise responsible AI and make people responsible and get them better at doing it so they do fewer and we can save, save water by doing fewer prompts. Ambitious, but here we go anyway.
Nadio Granata [:So this formula maker creates formulas and what is.
Nadio Granata [:Now, this isn't my best one, this is, this is the answers coming in a minute. But I can take a report, it can be a 700 page report PDF. You share some of them. Thank you for that. Robin shares hey ho, we get loads of reports in. I can put, I can attach that report to my p in PDF form into my formula maker and say, can you identify these reports normally, tell you what the top ten takeaways are, but say, you know, have a look at.
Nadio Granata [:Find me a particular problem, challenge issue.
Nadio Granata [:Or I might identify one myself from this report and suggest a formula that.
Nadio Granata [:Can be created to address the problem.
Nadio Granata [:So it might say, for example, let's do one education. There's a problem with supply teaching. Lots of teachers are leaving education. Okay, so if teachers are leaving education.
Nadio Granata [:What impact could that have now? Leave it at that.
Nadio Granata [:Don't go, what impact could this have on six year olds, on ten year olds? Just what impact can this have? And then it will come back and say, well, there's multiple impacts. It can be on the person itself, it can be on, it can be on the school, it can be. So you take this very wide canvas and then, and then you use your own intuition. This is where human in the loop comes in and goes, okay, wow.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah.
Nadio Granata [:I hadn't realised that it can have an impact on local trade because, you know, seven out of ten teachers not going to look, they're not teaching at their local schools anymore or whatever, you know, and then you can say, okay, well let's, can you give me a formula that will address the business case.
Nadio Granata [:To present to the, on behalf of the headmaster, to present to the board.
Nadio Granata [:Of trustees, to encourage or to enable.
Nadio Granata [:More funding, to be able to retain.
Nadio Granata [:Staff longer without having to dip into the supply chain, the supply teacher arena, etcetera.
Nadio Granata [:Well, oh, David, I can't tell you.
Nadio Granata [:How it's like magic happens in front of your eyes.
Nadio Granata [:And the form was, this is what.
Nadio Granata [:I love about this. And this is why people with ADHD or dyslexia or, you know, different, different learning styles.
Nadio Granata [:If you.
Nadio Granata [:If you'd asked me as a child to write a formula, I wouldn't have had a clue. If you ask me to explain what.
Nadio Granata [:I think is a problem, I can articulate that. I can't articulate the solution, but I could articulate it.
Nadio Granata [:This is what it does. It tells you, well, if we. If we take a school and we, and we look at national average of teach number, teachers are leaving, and that's 2%, for example. Don't quote me on that, but let's.
Nadio Granata [:Say it's 2% and there's a head.
Nadio Granata [:Count of 100 teachers at this particular school, and the average salary is XYZ and the supply teacher average salary is.
Nadio Granata [:XYZ plus an extra 10% in admin.
Nadio Granata [:Fees and all this sort of stuff, then we can make some assumptions. Oh, the other thing is, sorry, to.
Nadio Granata [:Always, always ask it to make assumptions.
Nadio Granata [:Allow it to make assumptions and to list those assumptions and wherever possible, to give logic to those assumptions. And that way you're not sat there scratching your head saying, I haven't got the numbers. I don't know how many teachers are out this school. I don't know what. I don't know what they're getting paid, I don't know what the average national average is. I don't know if you're stuck at that point, you don't know. You'll never get any further. So just assume that there are some.
Nadio Granata [:Averages, and then it will describe the formula to you that it's about to make interesting.
Nadio Granata [:When it's made that formula, it will.
Nadio Granata [:Then, if you'll ask if you're happy.
Nadio Granata [:With that and you'll say, no, actually, you.
Nadio Granata [:You miss off the fact that this.
Nadio Granata [:Is the Isle of Man and therefore there's another.
Nadio Granata [:There's a taxation element or something, you.
Nadio Granata [:Know, the knowledge that we have.
Nadio Granata [:So you put that back in and.
Nadio Granata [:Then it will create the formula.
Nadio Granata [:And it can be 50 characters, it.
Nadio Granata [:Can be longer than your street name, you know, it can be amazing.
Nadio Granata [:And.
Nadio Granata [:That'S a formula. So we built the formula.
Nadio Granata [:Now, to get to the. My number one favourite GPT is my eco footprint.
Nadio Granata [:So my eco footprint tracker, which I shortened to EFTP or something. And basically I've got a load of formula that measures things like your food mile, your water consumption, your energy consumption, and it's your daily, so it can do a daily, weekly, monthly, and it basically calculates what your CO2 cost is.
Nadio Granata [:To the planet on a daily, hourly.
Nadio Granata [:Month or whatever, whatever you put in those squiggly brackets. Now, to do that, it's got to do quite a few things. One is it's got to pull in lots of data. So I also get to auto generate a template for you to fill out because without that template we're all guessing or we're comparing apples and pairs. Create the formula, then get, then create.
Nadio Granata [:A template that can be embedded into.
Nadio Granata [:The back of it and then invite the respondent to complete the formula. Now you, so for example, if you have ready breakfast and then for lunch, you have yourself a, I don't know, a fillet steak that's shipped in from.
Nadio Granata [:Argentina and you, and you, you go on the bus to the restaurant and you have a shower before you go.
Nadio Granata [:And you, I don't know, drink two bottles of champagne whilst you're there.
Nadio Granata [:Then, then it can calculate.
Nadio Granata [:Those values.
Nadio Granata [:Now, okay. Is it, is it exactly. You know what? I don't know, but it is indicative.
Nadio Granata [:And indicative is good enough in a lot of cases. Now, I do invite others who are more knowledgeable than me on these subjects to jump in and say, look, here's.
Nadio Granata [:A better formula or here's a tweak.
Nadio Granata [:To the formula that you've got. I'm not precious about any of those formula. As Robin Davis would say, it's the art of the possible.
Nadio Granata [:Just demonstrate in the art possible.
David Brown [:Yeah. And I can, like you said, I can see where that would be really handy for, for someone who's trying to build a custom algorithm to come up with, which is really what it's doing to, for a unique set of data. I remember I, in a previous life when I worked for a data analytics company, we were trying to, we were trying to predict churns for customers and we had an online tool that was a reporting tool that people could use and we could look at things like how many of the users logged into the platform in a 30 day period, for example, and those people that did log in, how many reports did they run and what sort of results did they get? And, you know, it's like you kind of, you could mess around with it.
Nadio Granata [:It.
David Brown [:And it would have been so much easier now because you could probably ask a GPT to come up with an algorithm that would give you an elegant single number score from one to 100 that would tell you how likely they are to churn and to cancel your contract so that you could then reach out to them and proactively try and help them do it. So it took us ages to come up with what we thought was the right number. And it did, actually. It was very successful for us because we could identify those customers. Because when you have thousands of customers, you don't know who's using it and who isn't. But if you can run a report every month that flags, hey, these ten users aren't using the tool and they're paying a lot of money for it. You should reach out to them and see what's going on. Totally helpful.
David Brown [:So I can see where that would be amazing for people who, you know, that's not. Maths isn't their first skill. They're, you know, they just run their business.
Nadio Granata [:Oh, David, honestly, I've demonstrated this in master's level in classrooms. Right. And I think what I'm really getting from this is, to your point, you know, maths is not their strongest point. Nigel Reisner is a keynote speaker, motivation speaker. I went to one of his seminars 30 years ago and he asked. He was. I went with the chamber of commerce and he asked everybody in the room, about 60 of us, put your hands up if you think that you're not very good at maths.
Nadio Granata [:Well, everybody put their hands up because.
Nadio Granata [:You know, we did you.
David Brown [:Because we all hate maths.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah.
Nadio Granata [:And did you pass your oral level or your GCSE or whatever they do these days and that sort of thing? And he gave a great example.
Nadio Granata [:He said, look, he said, whatever we.
Nadio Granata [:In inverted commas, failed at when we were younger stays with us for the rest of our lives. This ceiling has just been smashed. Now, David, seriously, if you thought you couldn't write poetry, you can. If you thought you couldn't write music, you can. It's just up to your imagination.
Nadio Granata [:And I've. I've sat with people and said, talk to me.
Nadio Granata [:Tell me what you're thinking. Tell me, you know.
Nadio Granata [:What do you think is a problem with this?
Nadio Granata [:And it's that spoken word, it's iteration sometimes. I mean, with their permissions, I might record them and then I'll take that recording and I'll download the transcription of it and then I'll turn that into a prompt. I say, there's 5000 words here and there, all pointing towards a situation that needs resolving. Can you create a GPT prompt that will address this? But can I just finish off on.
Nadio Granata [:That point about earlier that I'm learning to unblending GPTs?
Nadio Granata [:So your example there, the churn is a brilliant example because the formula maker.
Nadio Granata [:Has now given birth to the. My AI predictor, I think I've called it report predict or something.
Nadio Granata [:And basically what that does is it's you go into the, into the formula.
Nadio Granata [:Maker for the formula, but then I.
Nadio Granata [:Go into another one where I will upload a report and one came out the other week, wasn't it, the AI.
Nadio Granata [:Index 2024 index that we were all.
Nadio Granata [:Looking at and this particular GPU.
Nadio Granata [:Predicts. So it will jump into the report.
Nadio Granata [:And I will give it a set of parameters and say, given these parameters.
Nadio Granata [:What, you know, can you, can you.
Nadio Granata [:Find a logic that will enable us.
Nadio Granata [:To predict what is going to, if.
Nadio Granata [:It continues at this rate, what's going to happen? And now that, I don't know, I.
Nadio Granata [:Would have thought that five years ago.
Nadio Granata [:We were paying a lot of data analysts a lot of money to do that sort of work and in a lot of cases we weren't even thinking that way because we couldn't think that way. You know, it wasn't for me to think and I'm not paid enough to think.
David Brown [:No, you're absolutely right. Yeah, no, it was, that was definitely something that they, well, they still pay a lot of people a lot of money to do that thing.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah, yeah, but we, I mean, you.
Nadio Granata [:Know, we know you and I know a lot of people that work in local authorities. I'm seeing more and more examples of universities. One of my previous universities just laid off 12% of the staff last week.
Nadio Granata [:And, you know, it could be very useful for us.
Nadio Granata [:I'm not saying universities haven't done the calculation, but there must be, you know, we're a nation of shopkeepers, aren't we? So then, you know, we're not, we don't all have resources at University of.
Nadio Granata [:Cot to figure out out, you know.
Nadio Granata [:What'S, what's coming down the line. But you know, small businesses, SME's can look at that, can put in your.
Nadio Granata [:Annual accounts, get your trade body annual report, put your annual account in against.
Nadio Granata [:The annual report and say where, where am I going? Where's my business going? Am I booking the trend? Or, you know, am I, am I not booking the trend? And then create a benchmark to say, you know, these are the gaps and if you don't address these gaps and normally it, my experience a lot of the gaps are in skills, you know, they're down to knowledge.
David Brown [:Yeah.
Nadio Granata [:And so, you know, start training your staff now.
Nadio Granata [:Don't wait until that hole's too big to fill.
Nadio Granata [:So, yeah, so yeah, 100% getting multiple GPTs to sort of, you know, start in one and then move to another. And shall I just finish on a lovely little story for you?
David Brown [:Yeah, sure, go for it. We're at 57 minutes, so we have time for a story.
Nadio Granata [:Okay.
Nadio Granata [:A lot of Salesforce partners, I spent a lot of time in Salesforce ecosystem and a lot of their strap lines are obsessed with data or obsessed with Salesforce or obsessed with force or cloud, and I've written a few of those straplines myself or some of those partner companies and I think I'm getting a reputation for being a bit obsessed with Gwynne, which I'll have to accept that anyway. But one of my neighbours around here, she was asking me about GPT and she has a 14 year old daughter at a local school and a 25 year old niece, the french family. And so the niece is at university in France and she's looking for a placement, a couple of weeks placement over here as part of her course at Une. And anyway, I just said, look, you.
Nadio Granata [:Know, who's into AI?
Nadio Granata [:Who's looking at AI? And the mum was like, oh, I've heard of it, but I don't really know much about it. The youngest daughter said, we can't, we can't even talk about it at school. Twelve year old daughter, I can't even take a watch to school. That might have, you know, all this sort of stuff. So she said, it's banned, it's banned. And she's at an international, she's at an international school and it's a fee paid, you know. Anyway, and then, and then the french girl was at university in France, she said, oh no, we're not allowed to use it at university, it's bad. So, so you can imagine my response to that.
Nadio Granata [:Anyway, so they came round for an hour and a half yesterday and I.
Nadio Granata [:Sat them at the laptop and I.
Nadio Granata [:Said, okay, let's, I gave them a bit of background to how it works and what it was and then I said, come on, let's, let's do something. What should we do? I said, I'll tell you what, shall we write up? We all like a bit of poetry, so should we write a poem? And said, okay. And I said, let's write a poem about the cats of Chiswick, okay? And so we asked it to write a poem about cats of chiskic. I said, but before we asked it to write the poem, the young girl, she got very excited because unbeknown to me, she got three cats.
David Brown [:Right, okay.
Nadio Granata [:Oh, oh, yeah.
Nadio Granata [:Can we include Bobby and all this? I said, of course. Write it down on a piece of paper. Just scribble. Write me the names of cats, what colour they are, what sort of cats.
Nadio Granata [:And she came up with this blooming.
Nadio Granata [:Word, which I've never heard before.
Nadio Granata [:You know, David Bowie's got. Had two colours, one eye.
David Brown [:Yeah, yeah.
Nadio Granata [:Multi chronolo or something like that. She's got a cat that's got this multi chronological. So that was on a piece of paper that she wrote and then other bits and pieces.
Nadio Granata [:Anyway, we.
Nadio Granata [:I took a photograph of these notes. They'd all done their own notes, merged the photographs together, put them into one of my story writers and asked it to write a poem about these cats.
Nadio Granata [:Well, they loved it.
Nadio Granata [:It was absolutely. Then I said, well, let's go to Dalali and Dali. I can never say that word from Dali. And ask. And ask it to create a book.
Nadio Granata [:Cover for our book of poems about.
Nadio Granata [:The cats of Chiswick.
Nadio Granata [:Well. Well, in a nanosecond it was.
Nadio Granata [:It created one. And then they gave us a bit of an idea and said, no, we need to have the marina on there, we need to have Chiswick Bridge, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, second iteration, hit it. Nail on the head, second iterate.
Nadio Granata [:Bang.
Nadio Granata [:So we got a book cover, we got a poem, and then it was.
Nadio Granata [:Like, you know what? I think we should turn this into a song.
Nadio Granata [:So we then went into. Oh, no, sorry. We turned it into a movie, went into video, turned it into a two minute move, and then we went into Udeo and we turned it into a song and they laughed and laughed and cried with laughter, because one of the songs was a rap and we got to rap in French.
Nadio Granata [:Love it. And then. And all of this. And that was in an hour and a half. So from.
Nadio Granata [:From zero to. Yeah, to a poem, a movie thing.
Nadio Granata [:Now what?
Nadio Granata [:I got messages from. From mum later on, saying, oh, my God, Nadio, you know, what a wonderful experience.
David Brown [:What have you done? But you can imagine they won't.
Nadio Granata [:That's how it goes, isn't it? You know, once you've got the book. I mean, I did encourage the twelve year old. I said, if she wants a placard making to take to school and start a revolution at a school, then I would. I would be very supportive. Why are we telling our children that they cannot access AI? Why are we still giving them candles when electricity is available?
David Brown [:It's a great. It's a great question. It's a great question and it's a great story. I love it. And there's, there's all sorts of stories like that. And I think there's, you know, we're going to have an event later this year, and I think, you know, we're going to talk about some of the. Which I want you to mention. So that's why I'm mentioning it now.
David Brown [:But I think at that event, we're going to talk a lot about case studies. So where people, not just in life, but also maybe in their businesses and everything else. I've actually. Sorry about the background noise. There's people, like, yelling in the hallway.
Nadio Granata [:End of month. Is somebody not paying the bills or.
David Brown [:Something that's being in and off?
Nadio Granata [:But.
David Brown [:Yeah, no, so I, you know, I think that's. That's an excellent example, and I think we need more of those examples for people to really latch on to and to understand. So a couple of things.
Nadio Granata [:Yeah, sorry, I'm jumping in. I just put out an appeal for you. Sorry, you gave me an idea and if I don't say now, I'll lose it. Can you put out an appeal for anybody? I'm. I could look for a hundred examples, examples to show at our conference in October. So anybody, any of your listeners who wants to grab a GPT? Ideally one of my hundreds. But if. I mean, I've had people tell me that it's given them food for thought and they've done their own.
Nadio Granata [:So, you know, so long as it sort of relates back to what we're talking about, then, you know, we can sort out an invitation for them to come to the event in October.
Nadio Granata [:And I'm probably thinking, I don't know.
Nadio Granata [:Everyone has a story, so 30 minutes.
Nadio Granata [:Story per GPT, we'll figure it out with something of that nature.
Nadio Granata [:Sorry, I'm going to show.
Nadio Granata [:No, no.
David Brown [:What's the. Well, I want you to tell everybody what's the event called and what's the URL? Where do they go to find out more about it?
Nadio Granata [:Well, I've got et for it. If you go to Nadio AI and.
Nadio Granata [:There is a library of GPTs in.
Nadio Granata [:There, I need to update it. But find me on LinkedIn. If anyone finds me on LinkedIn and there's any GPTs that they think I might have done and not mentioned, literally all day I've spent shortening the bit lyds and rediscovering them so that will get published and then I've done a.
Nadio Granata [:GPT called Nadio Granata.
Nadio Granata [:So that GPT is the one where I'm feeding information about how to create GPTs and things like that. But the event is the 23rd to 25 October. It's at London.
Nadio Granata [:Oh, God, what's it called?
Nadio Granata [:Can you remember? London Hotel in Holborn?
David Brown [:Cheque, the website. I'll put a link in the show notes for everybody to find so everybody can go and get the most up to date information about the event. But it's put on by the AI collective, right?
Nadio Granata [:It's originally for members of the AI collective, so if you're, if you're a member of the AI collective, register your interest in coming. Speaking, taking part, it will be a fee payment. We will have to charge some fees.
Nadio Granata [:For it, but there will be heavy.
Nadio Granata [:Discounts for members of the AI collective. Discounts are free for anybody that's partaking in it. It will run over three days. There will be lots of accreditations. My big thing is to try and.
Nadio Granata [:Get people to credit it, to get.
Nadio Granata [:Them on courses and to get them qualified, even if it's, you know, just a low standard. But that's. And from there on, you know, it's.
Nadio Granata [:Not, it really isn't that rocket science, you know.
Nadio Granata [:I mean, I wish it was in some ways and I could charge a lot more for what I do, but, you know, it's just get going.
David Brown [:Brilliant, Nadio, thanks very much. That was, that was really helpful and I think it'll be quite enlightening for people who haven't done it yet and have maybe been a little bit cautious or, you know, just think that they can't do it. I think the, the main lesson is that, hey, anybody can do it and the only way you're going to get any better at it is to just go and try it and, and see how it works. So if anybody has any questions or follow up, there'll be some links to Nadio's website and also to his LinkedIn. So if you want to follow up with Nadio for some help or support, or if you want him to help design on GPT for you, I'm sure he'd be happy to avail you of his services. And, yeah, Nadio, thanks very much. We'll speak to you again soon.
Nadio Granata [:Thank you. And last point, just make sure you don't put anything sensitive in your GPT, the queries, nothing that you wouldn't ordinarily put on the Internet. That's you.
David Brown [:Good point.
Nadio Granata [:Thank you.
David Brown [:Thanks, Nadio. Bye.
